...they're still deluding themselves and essentially lying to us. Heh. If their lips are moving, they're still self-delusional. And I have a three-generation view on this, dating back to the *founding* of the Veteran's Administration and my WWI veteran grandfather's interactions with same, followed by the Auld Soldier's interactions with same, followed by my own, and my work helping my younger brothers and sisters navigate the system. Meh. And these type of people feel they are...